So we better get used to no boost mining I suppose.

Lets look at this your taking the rorqual out of the game as can't use in belts as if it gets pinned down yes it has a bubble to protect it for a few minutes. but it still can't move..and ppl drop lots of ships on it , it becomes a massacre. now links ships are worthless..

Your looking at things to make the game faster at destroying things. But your not looking at the life of the game. Or the cycle

of eve. it takes all aspects of the game to survive, changes are not always good have you looked at if people will accept and use these in field as you hope. If not the manufacturing dies and all cost rise. another way to kill your game

The problem w reducing the time to that sort of level would be that it would mean the total elimination of frigates getting any kind of boost in places like novice FW plexes. At least w a 2 minute timer a frig pilot can get his boost then warp into the plex and have a limited amount of time boosted. With a 30 second time the boost would be gone before you even managed to land in the plex. Ofc a t1 boost frig would solve this but that's starting a slide down a particularly slippery slope. Are we gonna start creating new ships from scratch every time a gameplay mechanic changes?

When CCP removed boosting Command ships from within POS shields, they specifically left Orca/Rorqual mining boosts out of that change due to the outcry and the expected population fleeing from EVE.

While it's important to get rid of off grid "Combat" boosting for reasons of bringing more players onto the battlefield for which they want, for some reason we now think the same issue faced during the last tweek to boosts is no longer going to massively impact the mining/industrial community in game and cause many industrialists to throw up their hands and log.

This change seems more motivated by a small gang, ganker type developer that will now have a capital kill available in every mining anom they warp to. The supposed "olive branch" is that the Rorqual will have a "slow death" button that means not everything will die immediately as the fleet is bubbled and the Rorqual dies... then the fleet dies. What a big bonus.

This change to Mining Boost dynamics has no positive benefit to Nullsec industry and was likely not put forth by anyone with serious industrial experience but instead someone who wanted shinier kill mails while miner ganking.

The only thing about this mighty nerfing of off-grid boosting I know for sure is it is getting some really cool people, who just want to help out new people and solo-ers, to leave EVE forever.

Now I subbed a year about 2-3 months ago. I like mining. I like being boosted. I like my booster to be able to relax while playing, not working while playing.

Isn't this game about community? I've played EVE for years now, years apart of course, but every time I come back it seems they keep changing things nobody wants...actually that most people hate.[/qupte]

It's hard to respond to this without engaging in the exact hyperbole you are using here but it is quite unlikely that *most* people hate this change and it is far from something that *nobody* wants.

[quote=Bo Goodwin]I don't PvP, FW, PI, explore, PvE, incursions or any of that crap. I like to mine some rocks while I chat with friends and not get blown up.

Thanks Fozzie, With how big grids are now - do you think that a 60km radius (roughly) is large enough for these boost ships? I obviously disagree but hoping you can shed some light on the thought process?

A lot of fights take place on gates, wormholes, stations, but an equal number take place in the wide wide open - where the range is going to become a much bigger consideration.

After seeing the proposed changes I'm less worried. But still have two big concerns...

1. That range... not everyone anchors up and presses F1. Need more range for small gangs who tend to spread out more.

2. The ammo idea is just plain dumb. Please use scripts instead.

If the above is how the Rorq is going to work going forward they will become the toys of only the biggest and best organized blocs. As a Goon that would actually be kinda nice for me personally, but crushing thousands of other miners in smaller outfits would be horrible overall. There is no way a hundred man mining corp could use Rorquals if they lived within a couple BLOPS jumps of a halfway decent lowsec outfit, let alone PL or Goons.

What's funny to me is that the Rorqual will still offer better mining boosts than any other ship, even without being in Industrial Core mode. Despite that, people who had to know their "hide in the POS shield" playstyle was on life support for several years are completely freaking out.

It is interesting to see that people will actually have to fly the Rorqual now. They'll have to push buttons more than once and stuff. The Horror! The Horror! The real impact of this is not that the Rorqual will actually be at risk now, but that it will actually require regular player input, making it harder to multibox the ship.

I know I have trained up a Rorqual booster, three Exhumer pilots, and a hauler/scout pilot. In the past, I could easily forget about the Rorqual pilot in his POS, and focus on watching three Exhumers, the hauler or scout, and intel channels. Now I have to pay more attention to another pilot.

As someone who has always relied on multiple characters, I'm noticing the subtle shift CCP has in place to make each pilot matter more and require more player input. I don't have a problem with it, but I am noticing it. It's most evident in the recent Carrier changes. In the past, I could undock three Carriers, drop sentries, assign drones, and establish remote repair chains with ease. Now, that it is all but impossible to multibox Carriers with any degree of efficiency. But flying a single Carrier is a much more fun and engaging play style. I did decide to sell off a few of my Carriers because of these changes, but on the whole it's a good change. As this design philosophy sneaks into more game play aspects, it may eventually cause me to unsubscribe a couple more accounts, but I think in the long run it will make Eve a better, more engaging game.

If these changes go ahead I won't be boosting any longer. I have 3 accounts 1 for PvP and he 2 others are boost/mining but will not put an orca or rorq in a belt. These changes will effectively kill mining for small players like myself. CCp you will loose 2 subscriptions from me over this.